The law

AG Phill Kline "not sure" what "penetration" means.

Kline's position on teen sex unclear:

[Lawyer for doctors and social workers] Jones asked Kline what contact would be acceptable.

"It's difficult for me to say, maybe, kissing and petting," Kline said.

Jones: "Would fondling of the genitalia be included?"

Kline: "Again, it's difficult to say."

Jones: "What do you mean by petting?"

Kline: "Something that doesn't shock the moral conscience."

Jones: "Would you include French-kissing?"

Kline: "I don't believe so."

Jones: "What if the French-kissing occurred while lying on top of each other?"

Kline paused.

"I don't believe so."

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Jones had more questions:

"Is a 15-year-old girl engaging in oral sex on a 15-year-old boy, is that a crime?"

Kline: "If there's penetration, yes."

Jones: "What would be the penetration?"

Kline: "I'm not certain."

Jones cited Kansas law's definition: penetration "however slight, of a male or female by any body part or object."

Is it a crime, Jones asked, "for 15-year-old boy to perform oral sex on a 15-year old girl?"

Kline: "Yes."

Jones: "Is it inherently injurious for a 15-year-old girl to engage in oral sex on a 15-year-old boy?"

Kline: "I'm not certain."

The distinctions we make.